Metagov as a technical staging ground
mike at zelea.com
Mon Nov 5 18:38:52 EST 2012
Thomas von der Elbe said:
> I like it. But what choice would the user have atm? I think Votorola
> is the only software which integrates so easily with wikis etc,
> isn't it? ...
We'd have an initial advantage. That's one of the drawbacks. ;^)
But seriously, it fits with Metagov's model of adhocracy (as I think
Ed calls it). Those who *can* do the work, actually do it.
> ... Ofc, we could offer other projects our collaboration (as we
> already do all the time) in that, that they could use these tracks
> and connect them to their software. Is this the plan? ...
That's basicially it. Technically we were thinking of installing the
tool switch at the stage level (not track), so other projects aren't
forced to use the Crossforum Theatre design. They could copy it and
use it if they wished (and we'd help them), but they could also build
from scratch. They'd have complete freedom.
> ... The tracks would then be actually part of the OVN instead of
> Votorola and the different softwares behind the tracks would have to
> exchange votes etc., right?
Or we could wait and ask the other project, the first that joins us.
They might not want it labeled "Outcast Voting Network".
So we'd still be blocked till we find that other project; i.e. still
in the situation of, "We have T3 sailing, but we can't find T2." *
But we'd have gained 3 things:
1. The initial cooperation we expect is not vote mirroring, but
simply a tool switch that allows for shared exposure on Metagov.
So we lower the barrier.
2. We get exposure on Metagov for Votorola.
3. We get exposure for the idea of cross-project cooperation for
the sake of healthy competition as opposed to winner-take-all
brutality. (Conseo, this is fundamentally economic, right?)
What do you guys think? Should we ask Metagov?
Thomas von der Elbe said:
> On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 7:12, Michael Allan wrote:
> > We were mooting an idea tonight (Conseo and I). Imagine if Metagov
> > became a kind of staging ground for different software. The user would
> > choose the brand and it would run for him/her in the wiki, mailing
> > list, and so forth. New users would get random software. What do you
> > think?
> I like it. But what choice would the user have atm? I think Votorola is
> the only software which integrates so easily with wikis etc, isn't it?
> Ofc, we could offer other projects our collaboration (as we already do
> all the time) in that, that they could use these tracks and connect them
> to their software. Is this the plan? The tracks would then be actually
> part of the OVN instead of Votorola and the different softwares behind
> the tracks would have to exchange votes etc., right?
> >> PS: and I find the "+"-symbol for the unspecified polls is tosmall,
> >> i.e. hardly to recognizethat it is selected.
> > This gave me some trouble at first. It's confusing and inconsistent
> > if it's too big and bright when you mouse over. Eventually I realized
> > that it only needs brightening when it's selected and staged.
> It is better now, I think, but I still find it to small and hard to see,
> if it is selected. What is inconsistent about making it the same size as
> the orange "+"?
> >> One possible bug: once on a position page, if I scroll down, the
> >> vote-track stays on the screen. I believe, before it's background did
> >> also stay, now it's moving up, making the track harder to read. Do I
> >> remember right?
> > Whoops. Fixed.
> Now it has two backgrounds, one moving down (which is good) and the
> other staying on top, which I think before was not the case and I liked
> it more before, I think.
> > I can do more if it's needed.
> Well, if it was Chrismas and I could have wishs, then:
> I'd like the magnifiing glass to disappear on the right side of the
> poll-track, where there are no more polls atm.
> And in vote-space, if I expand the tree a lot and have to scroll the
> screen to the left and right, I'd like all the tracks stay stable at the
> top and not move.
> Then I think, it would be good, if I mouse over the vote-track, to have
> the same behaviour as if I mouse over the poll-track, i.e. a little
> window with the name of the voter attached to the mouse-pointer. In this
> track probably better below the mouse-pointer. You suggested this imo,
> when we spoke last. The only disadvantage here is on a position page, if
> I scroll down, this window would cover some of the position, but I think
> it is worth the consistency in usage.
> But this is all low priority I guess.
> Here in votespace there is some bug; if you mouse over the vote-track,
> the users highlighted in the tree are wrong ones:
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