Resource pledge and account definitions - fit with vote mirroring

[Michael Allan]

c wrote:
> I could push with a proposal to assign the price to me :-) Maybe
> some more competition will come up then. Well, likely not, people
> will think that it is a fake. But if somebody would take some money
> then something real would happen in the e-dem world :-). Maybe if we
> break the price into smaller pieces for smaller tasks and we then
> draft which tasks that would be and how we award a winner. More like
> a monthly honor to a contributor reflected in some real bucks. But
> anyway, likely this is not the way to reach out for people
> primarily.

Maybe we don't have to worry about reaching out to users anymore.
Some of our competitors are well financed and well staffed in the
marketing department.  For those that aren't, venture capital won't be
hard to get.  It appears we're heading into an investment bubble in
social media.  I think we should let the excess of money do all the
work for us.  A correspondent pointed me to Hyperarchy, for example,
which is looking for seed funding.  http://blog.hyperarchy.com/
http://codeforamerica.org/2011/04/19/hyperarchy-open-decision-making-for-open-organizations/

I think we should use Thomas's vote mirroring to image the votes from
their site, and all other sites.  The votes will bring the candidates
and the candidates will bring the users.  In this perspective, our
competitors are reduced to resources for the candidates to consume and
our job is to provide the tools for that.  (I'll post more about the
underlying rationale for this separately.)

> > Based on that, it should be possible to hammer out a method of
> > complex accounting for labour assignments, materials, and so
> > forth.  (Have a look C when you're free, and tell me what you
> > think.)
>
> Yep that looks very flexible and I think it fits collectively
> planning economical processes already in a scale to a few hundred
> people at least. It definetly fits my perspective on how the tools
> should allow assignment of resources to consent.

Right, you could use separate account names to absorb the complexity:
http://zelea.com/w/Property:Account_name

But that won't scale.  We can fix that by defining a new counting
method for the more complex stuff. *

> It is still a bit complicated though. I have had a look at that 
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Creating_pages_with_preloaded_text
> to provide an auto-generated pledge page. Copy and paste is not difficult, but 
> it can be confusing to newcomers where to paste stuff. Ideally there still is 
> semantic forms to avoid writing wiki markup.

Or provide a pledge UI in the theatre app.  The pollwiki UIs are only
intended as working prototypes, and later as fallbacks.  See item 2:
http://zelea.com/project/outcast/dep.xht

Preloading is complicated by an extension we use for that purpose,
which conflicts with some of the other preloading methods - in
particular (!) the URL based method that would be most appropriate for
pledge preloads.  But that's all optimization stuff for later, and we
probably shouldn't waste time actually doing any of it up front.

> P.S.: Nice that we have our own list now, Google Groups was never
> really attractive to me.

Agreed, Mailman is definitely the way to go.  Most of the better lists
are Mailman.


 * Something based on set algebra maybe.  We'll need something similar
   to do the summations for the accounts that measure crossforum
   extent and the "fetch" of source servers for mirroring, in any
   case.  http://zelea.com/w/Category:Counting_method

   Then the candidate could have a single account page with sub-names
   for the (perhaps thousands of) component resources, each either
   empty (zero) or pledged by N "applicants".  Those could be job
   positions, for example.  Multiple account pages that share the same
   name ("jobs" say) could be merged in the vote stream using a
   combination of set alegbra for the whole account, and quantitivate
   summation for the numeric components.

-- 
Michael Allan

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