[MG] Talk bubbles for crossforum theatre

Sat Apr 30 08:26:36 EDT 2011

Alex, in your example you pick the east pizza-slice a couple of times 
and then the south one. What would happen if you pick north, west ...? 
Will the pizza be automatically be turned around to east again? But this 
would probably make the user loose orientation, about where he is in the 
whole tree, wouldnt it?

Thomas

On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 16:08, Alexander Praetorius wrote:
> I made a small example...
> ...its about "pizza slices" and about getting "rid of abbreviations" and
> about "chicken perspective", but not about all the stuff I've given in the
> example URL's of my previous message to this mailinglist.
>
> It's also not perfect regarding accurate drawing, choosing colors that can
> be read well because they do not compete with the background color.
> There is much room for improvement. The main features are:
> 1. Shows taken path through the voting-tree (like
> c:/programs/votorola/whatever/...)
> 2. Shows details of focused current node
> 3. Removes unintuitive abbreviations
> 4. Reduces visual clutter
> 5. blablabla ;)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: start-bounces at metagovernment.org
> [mailto:start-bounces at metagovernment.org] On Behalf Of Alexander Praetorius
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 2:11 PM
> To: 'Metagovernment Project'
> Subject: Re: [MG] Talk bubbles for crossforum theatre
>
>> Your idea of the pizza slices, was that to eliminate the complicated lines
> in
>> the center (above), or in the periphery (attached)?  Or both?
> Both :)
>
> ...
>>> FIRST - (The Ugly Abbreviations)<<
> I think a very very important thing is to get rid of the ugly abbreviations
> (Bo. No. Rh. Aq. Pa. .....) we might try something like this:
> http://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/2009/08/10/mbti-map/
> http://www.neoformix.com/2007/OntarioElectionViz0.png
> Right now, the abbreviations are absolutely meaningless. A person who's
> looking at the visualization doesn't know what kind of information to
> expect. Why would I want to navigate through the branches? What am I
> searching for?
> Maybe I'm searching for a branch where I could have more impact if I follow
> that branch? ...what's (Bo. No. Rh. Aq. Pa...) all about?
>
>
>>> SECONDLY - (Eagle's Persective)<<
> I think the visualization we are talking about right now is more from a
> chickens perspective... you navigate through the tree step by step. It's not
> easy to see more than 3 or 4 branches at once, because at the moment, the
> screen will become way to cluttered to understand the current visualization
> with maybe 4 or 5 expanded "nodes".
> So if we also will go for an overview visualization we might try something
> like:
> http://lip.sourceforge.net/ctreemap.html (circular treemap)
> http://bund.offenerhaushalt.de/ (treemap)
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/marc_smith/1474524836/ (treemap)
> http://www.neoformix.com/2006/MLPC_p4.gif (sunburst diagram)
> Another visualization combines circular treemap with crosslinks, but I don't
> know if there is use for something like this
> http://neoformix.com/2009/TorontoTwitterCommunity.html
> http://www.neoformix.com/2009/ttcs_1.png
> http://www.neoformix.com/2009/ttcs_2.png
> http://www.neoformix.com/2009/TwitterEmployeeClusters.jpg
>
>
>
>>> THIRDLY - (Different Approach)<<
> A completely different approach might list all polls in a menu-like-list and
> while you hover over the polls, they become highlighted in the main view.
> The filled circles attached to each poll will show you the (Bo. No. Rh.....)
> and their diameter will tell you how much votes they have donated:
> http://www.neoformix.com/2008/AuthorLine.png
>
>
>>> FOURTHLY - (TAG Approach)<<
> The center of a branch could be written like a heading (eg. "America").
> The "child nodes" could be written as weighted TAGs
> (eg.states,president,...)
> http://www.neoformix.com/2008/CloudComparison2.html#SummaryEnd
> (Clicking a Tag will open a sub branch and the path from root node down to
> the current branch could be shown through something like (root:G / p / moo /
> Bo. / ...)
> But please try to use meaningfull names  like (Global / Polls / Joe's Cow /
> Boring Abbreviations / ...)
>
>
> Other Stuff:
> http://wallstats.com/deathandtaxes/ (mindmap with zoom&pan)
> http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/05/05/science/20080506_DISEASE.html
> (zoomable node-link-diagram)
> http://www.notcot.com/images/2008/04/Literary-Organism-Poster.jpg
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: start-bounces at metagovernment.org
> [mailto:start-bounces at metagovernment.org] On Behalf Of Michael Allan
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 11:06 AM
> To: start at metagovernment.org
> Subject: Re: [MG] Talk bubbles for crossforum theatre
>
> Thanks Alexander,
>
> This drawing of the center came from one of your earlier suggestions:
> http://zelea.com/project/votorola/a/crossforum/vote/_/1c.xht
>
> I like it.  I think it's faster on the uptake than this one:
> http://zelea.com/project/votorola/a/crossforum/vote/_/1.xht
>
> Your idea of the pizza slices, was that to eliminate the complicated lines
> in the center (above), or in the periphery (attached)?  Or both?
>
> (Will reply to your other points, soon.  An, Ji, Th, etc. are  people's
> names.)
> --
> Michael
>
> PS - the SVG source is here if anyone else wants to draw:
> http://zelea.com/project/votorola/a/crossforum/vote/VotespaceV.svg
>
>
> Alexander Praetorius wrote:
>> Wow :-)
>>
>> It's getting better and better.
>> I like the geomap and I also like the bubbles, which tell visitors its
>> real people talking and not just bots or something...
>>
>> I still hate the abbreviations (Ge. Fr. An. ...) What's there meaning?
>> Countries?
>> Can't we then use flags and tell people the country's name when
>> hovering the flag?
>> (What flag do we use for global  (G.)? Maybe a planet earth icon?)
>> Really, I think there must be something done about the annoying
>> abbreviations. They really look very nerdy and cryptic to an average
>> visitors eye.
>>
>> I like the circles, the cyan navigation highlighting, the numbers and
>> the percentages :) I don't like all these lines because I think they
>> generate visual clutter and so do the ugly Abbreviations ;)
>>
>> Maybe one could use colored pizza slices, where the intensity of the
>> used color indicates the percentage given to the "pizza center" by each
> slice.
>> ...when a user nagivates through the branches of the tree, the active
>> circle maybe should go to the center of the screen while the former
>> circles should "fade out" or "shrink" a little ..or both? ...or they
>> should auto-move to the top of the screen, creating a "row of circles"
>> which are similar to G/p/bla ...
>> ...they would just show the path a user took while navigating through
>> several branches of the tree.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Alex
>
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