StratML Narrative - Case Use of Votorola?

[Alex Rollin]

Those are definitely additional uses for it.  I imagine that one of
the motivations we coudl share is the wish to "keep consensus" by
allowing "global voting on everything" and interfacing vote processing
after voting on pollservers is done.  I just wrote back to the metagov
list on the subject.

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On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Thomas von der Elbe
<ThomasvonderElbe at gmx.de> wrote:
> Hi Alex,
>
> yes, I do understand the need for Vote Processing. Its basically meant as a
> filter, right?
> So a user can answer all kinds of questions, e.g.:
>
> How many votes for this proposal are not older than 4 weeks?
> How many members of Greenpeace which are from Berlin voted for it? ...
>
> Like this?
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
>
> Alex Rollin schrieb:
>>
>>
>>  http://u.zelea.com/w/User:Alex.rollin-GmailCom/Vote_Processing
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alex
>>
>> “It’s no longer possible for a country to collapse in isolation. Now we
>> all collapse.
>>
>> The only path to stability is to equalize the consumption rates of the
>> first and developing world. Our dream is no longer possible in the new
>> world.” - Jared Diamond March 2010
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Alex Rollin <alex.rollin at gmail.com
>> <mailto:alex.rollin at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>    Hi Thomas!
>>
>>    Thabks for looking at the detail in the rules and commenting on
>>    them. Depending on the situation your amendments might be more
>>    appropriate, yes.
>>
>>    I had a conversation with Mike about what he called "vote
>>    processing" which is the filtering of votes on a poll/position
>>    witha custom voter list and a set of triggers like these rules and
>>    the ones you mention.
>>
>>    I made notes from the call wih Mike though theyare a bit messy.
>>    You can find them on a sub page coming off my user page on the
>>    pollwiki.
>>
>>    My goal is to write all thse rules down as a function of vote
>>    processing, along with simple usr stories like what this blog post
>>    hints at.
>>
>>    In fact I'm not going to move much further ahead on vote
>>    processing until I spend more energy on crossforum theatre. Mike
>>    and I spoke about it and it does seem the logical next step to
>>    xomplete the prototype.
>>
>>    At that point, prototype "complete," it will be easier to habe
>>    discussions about how vote processing could be implented.
>>
>>    Though I'm already a bit rusty from the call with Mike I am a bit
>>    clearer on the central position of the pollwiki paying more heed
>>    to Mike's caution of deisgning it out at this stage in the
>>    development.
>>
>>    Becaue of this I can see that a few requirements for the
>>    crossforum theatre ui would be an effort in the right direction of
>>    understanding how users will interact with the discussion created
>>    on a single pollserver, multiple areas or divisions, or even
>>    multiple pollservers.
>>
>>    The use case we discussed was to give a usr a notification that a
>>    diff bridge link has been posted to a mailman list that, and the
>>    diff eidge link is for a poll within an area in which the usrr is
>>    registered on the pollwiki.
>>
>>    I think stratml is great and I've sent the post to Owen for
>>    review, and he has sent it o n to others.
>>
>>    One step I do plan to make towars implementation iz to attempt to
>>    implement a stratml semantic form in mediawiki. I'm at the early
>>    stages having just installed the sematic bundle on my mediaiwiki a
>>    couple days ago. I still don't know much about it to tell the
>>    truth though and hope to make more progress in the coming month.
>>    If anyone wants to jump in just let me know!
>>
>>    Once implemented it would be possible to use flaggedRevisions
>>    extention to implement a portion of the "active strategy document"
>>    idea outlined in the blog post.
>>
>>    Alex
>>
>>
>>    On Oct 24, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Thomas von der Elbe
>>    <ThomasvonderElbe at gmx.de <mailto:ThomasvonderElbe at gmx.de>> wrote:
>>
>>        Hey Alex,
>>
>>        I just read through your text. First, ofc it's easy to imagine
>>        how Votorola comes into play. It's the perfect usecase for it.
>>
>>        Then, Owen Ambur is one of the active makers of statml and
>>        also a member in the metagov-list. We have been talking with
>>        him about using stratml in Votorola.
>>
>>        Then you write: 10. An active amendment that remains unopposed
>>        for 30 days will be integrated into the active strategy
>>        document immediately, creating a new version of the active
>>        strategy document
>>
>>        I see a possible problem. E.g. three bad guys over-float the
>>        rest of the group with countless active amandments, until they
>>        cannot keep up opposing anymore. I would prefer a majority
>>        rule like: at least 60% of the owners must vote for the
>>        amandment for at least 4 weeks.
>>
>>        Then there is also no more use for: 2. A group of 3 or more
>>        owning members may propose an amendment to the active strategy
>>        document.
>>
>>        Because every single owner could propose one without harm.
>>
>>        An additional good thing with Votorola would be: If an
>>        amandment can not climb higher then 50% for instance, people
>>        can propose improvements for the amandment. You know the tree:
>>        Improvements for improvements for improvements for documents.
>>        Which pobably makes the most sense, when the number of
>>        participants is getting higher.
>>
>>        So it all sounds good! Are you actually going to do it? Or how
>>        far are you already with the cafe?
>>
>>        Mike is off-line for a few days, he'll probably reply later too.
>>
>>        Thomas
>>
>>
>>        Alex Rollin schrieb:
>>
>>            I wrote this little piece today. I've spoken in the past
>>            about what I
>>            want to use Votorola for. Basically I want touse it to
>>            draft things
>>            democratically.
>>
>>            I've been involved in a few conversations the last couple
>>            of days that
>>            centered on "what is this group doing" in the context of
>>            several
>>            groups.
>>
>>            This little piece uses the drafting and redrafting of a
>>            StratML
>>            document as the goal of what is basically a legislative
>>            process.
>>
>>            When you read the piece you might imagine how Votorola
>>            would be used
>>            for carrying out the voting and maintaining the draft.
>>
>>            Well, that's the hope at least ;)
>>
>>            I realize there are some mismatches, and I wrote it
>>            anyways! Any and
>>            all feedback welcome!
>>
>>            http://alexrollin.com/content/stratml-production-groups
>>
>>            Alex Rollin