StratML Narrative - Case Use of Votorola?

Thomas von der Elbe ThomasvonderElbe at gmx.de
Tue Oct 26 09:28:15 EDT 2010


Hi Alex,

yes, I do understand the need for Vote Processing. Its basically meant 
as a filter, right?
So a user can answer all kinds of questions, e.g.:

How many votes for this proposal are not older than 4 weeks?
How many members of Greenpeace which are from Berlin voted for it? ...

Like this?

Thomas




Alex Rollin schrieb:
>
>
>   http://u.zelea.com/w/User:Alex.rollin-GmailCom/Vote_Processing
>
>
> --
> Alex
>
> “It’s no longer possible for a country to collapse in isolation. Now 
> we all collapse.
>
> The only path to stability is to equalize the consumption rates of the 
> first and developing world. Our dream is no longer possible in the new 
> world.” - Jared Diamond March 2010
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Alex Rollin <alex.rollin at gmail.com 
> <mailto:alex.rollin at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Thomas!
>
>     Thabks for looking at the detail in the rules and commenting on
>     them. Depending on the situation your amendments might be more
>     appropriate, yes.
>
>     I had a conversation with Mike about what he called "vote
>     processing" which is the filtering of votes on a poll/position
>     witha custom voter list and a set of triggers like these rules and
>     the ones you mention.
>
>     I made notes from the call wih Mike though theyare a bit messy.
>     You can find them on a sub page coming off my user page on the
>     pollwiki.
>
>     My goal is to write all thse rules down as a function of vote
>     processing, along with simple usr stories like what this blog post
>     hints at.
>
>     In fact I'm not going to move much further ahead on vote
>     processing until I spend more energy on crossforum theatre. Mike
>     and I spoke about it and it does seem the logical next step to
>     xomplete the prototype.
>
>     At that point, prototype "complete," it will be easier to habe
>     discussions about how vote processing could be implented.
>
>     Though I'm already a bit rusty from the call with Mike I am a bit
>     clearer on the central position of the pollwiki paying more heed
>     to Mike's caution of deisgning it out at this stage in the
>     development.
>
>     Becaue of this I can see that a few requirements for the
>     crossforum theatre ui would be an effort in the right direction of
>     understanding how users will interact with the discussion created
>     on a single pollserver, multiple areas or divisions, or even
>     multiple pollservers.
>
>     The use case we discussed was to give a usr a notification that a
>     diff bridge link has been posted to a mailman list that, and the
>     diff eidge link is for a poll within an area in which the usrr is
>     registered on the pollwiki.
>
>     I think stratml is great and I've sent the post to Owen for
>     review, and he has sent it o n to others.
>
>     One step I do plan to make towars implementation iz to attempt to
>     implement a stratml semantic form in mediawiki. I'm at the early
>     stages having just installed the sematic bundle on my mediaiwiki a
>     couple days ago. I still don't know much about it to tell the
>     truth though and hope to make more progress in the coming month.
>     If anyone wants to jump in just let me know!
>
>     Once implemented it would be possible to use flaggedRevisions
>     extention to implement a portion of the "active strategy document"
>     idea outlined in the blog post.
>
>     Alex
>
>
>     On Oct 24, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Thomas von der Elbe
>     <ThomasvonderElbe at gmx.de <mailto:ThomasvonderElbe at gmx.de>> wrote:
>
>         Hey Alex,
>
>         I just read through your text. First, ofc it's easy to imagine
>         how Votorola comes into play. It's the perfect usecase for it.
>
>         Then, Owen Ambur is one of the active makers of statml and
>         also a member in the metagov-list. We have been talking with
>         him about using stratml in Votorola.
>
>         Then you write: 10. An active amendment that remains unopposed
>         for 30 days will be integrated into the active strategy
>         document immediately, creating a new version of the active
>         strategy document
>
>         I see a possible problem. E.g. three bad guys over-float the
>         rest of the group with countless active amandments, until they
>         cannot keep up opposing anymore. I would prefer a majority
>         rule like: at least 60% of the owners must vote for the
>         amandment for at least 4 weeks.
>
>         Then there is also no more use for: 2. A group of 3 or more
>         owning members may propose an amendment to the active strategy
>         document.
>
>         Because every single owner could propose one without harm.
>
>         An additional good thing with Votorola would be: If an
>         amandment can not climb higher then 50% for instance, people
>         can propose improvements for the amandment. You know the tree:
>         Improvements for improvements for improvements for documents.
>         Which pobably makes the most sense, when the number of
>         participants is getting higher.
>
>         So it all sounds good! Are you actually going to do it? Or how
>         far are you already with the cafe?
>
>         Mike is off-line for a few days, he'll probably reply later too.
>
>         Thomas
>
>
>         Alex Rollin schrieb:
>
>             I wrote this little piece today. I've spoken in the past
>             about what I
>             want to use Votorola for. Basically I want touse it to
>             draft things
>             democratically.
>
>             I've been involved in a few conversations the last couple
>             of days that
>             centered on "what is this group doing" in the context of
>             several
>             groups.
>
>             This little piece uses the drafting and redrafting of a
>             StratML
>             document as the goal of what is basically a legislative
>             process.
>
>             When you read the piece you might imagine how Votorola
>             would be used
>             for carrying out the voting and maintaining the draft.
>
>             Well, that's the hope at least ;)
>
>             I realize there are some mismatches, and I wrote it
>             anyways! Any and
>             all feedback welcome!
>
>             http://alexrollin.com/content/stratml-production-groups
>
>             Alex Rollin





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