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<font face="Courier New">Hey Kevin, yes ofc, you can send my contact
information to anyone you feel right about. <br>
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Thomas<br>
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On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:41, Kevin Morais wrote:
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cite="mid:AANLkTiktnWJTj4cGQDpGkAXmCvcPK+2MX2dyiayzqsP_@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Hi Thomas work has begun in Registration of the Party
name, people in Ottawa know about it now, no big deal there. I
have a friend who I believe lives in Germany as well His name is
Jan, he is studying physics, very intelligent man. He has offered
to help with the Transparency Website and I think he is
considering joining the Party, may I send him your contact
information, also the first draft for your and others review I
will post on a wiki for you to look at, the book is writing itself
Thomas.<br>
<br>
So may I send Jan your contact information?<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 5:32 AM, Thomas
von der Elbe <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ThomasvonderElbe@gmx.de">ThomasvonderElbe@gmx.de</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> <font face="Courier
New">Kevin told me, he is going to officially register the
party now.<br>
<br>
Now I think, it would be good, to immidiatly start using
our tools. So the first members of the party get already a
feeling, what it is all about, even if the tools in
general are still in prototyp-phase. So even the party
principles itself could be subject to collaborative
improvement right from the beginning and open to every new
member.<br>
<br>
Next steps from my point of view would now be: <br>
<br>
- Discussion-Medium: setup a discussion forum at the
partys homepage. This could be used for new members to
exchange ideas etc. But more importantly it could be used
to discuss specific differences in positions regarding
party principles or party policies. This type of forum
would ideally allow to structure tons of threads in a
tree-structure (maybe every forum allows this, I dont
know). So every policy-issue could have its own thread and
every voter in this issue can have his own sub-thread and
maybe even sub-sub-threads for certain parts of his
position. There can be thousands of threads in the future.<br>
<br>
- Drafting</font><font face="Courier New">-Medium: I guess
for the beginning we can use the zelea-wiki for drafting.
Should I setup a seperate area for the party? Which then
would have seperate sub-areas, like Canada, Toronto, ...?
Doesnt make so much sense, does it? Better to use the
whole wiki for the party and later filter out non-members,
imo.<br>
<br>
- Voting</font><font face="Courier New">-Medium: use the
zelea-vote-sever.<br>
<br>
What are your thoughts?<br>
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Thomas<br>
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On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 2:53, Michael Allan wrote:
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<pre>Rohan Jayasekera wrote:
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<pre>Michael, if I understand correctly, you're saying that there is no
need to choose right now between "party" and "no party" approaches,
and that Votorola and Transparency Party people should just work
together on getting a vote going in some riding on one or more
issues. Is that correct?
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<pre>Thomas von der Elbe wrote:
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<pre>Yes, I am more and more beginning to see it like this too. Party or
no party doesn't actually matter right now. What matters most is
that we together actually start to vote on a particular and well
chosen issue.
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<pre>Yes, since Thomas wants to. But I can only speak for myself, not
Votorola. The #1 priority is that we continue working together (our
small crew). #2 is to give the tools a good workout, without which
development stalls (see below). So I think anyone who can move on 2
without sacrificing 1 is going to lead the development forward.
Rohan Jayasekera wrote:
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<pre>Simplicity is key when introducing new things to people, so I
suggest that the initial issue(s) be ones that are already well
understood. Also, since only a small percentage of people will be
(a) contactable by us and (b) willing to be "early adopters", we
will need a fairly large population to draw from in order to get
enough initial participants to bootstrap from. I suspect that a
single riding will be too small. Perhaps all ridings in one city
could be covered (Toronto seems to me the obvious choice), so that
in the early days when we don't have meaningful numbers in any one
riding we can still have meaningful totals for the city, and
publicizing those via city- level media will attract additional
participation in each riding. (City-level media can include social
media: tweeters often assume that the reader is in the same city and
when that's untrue it's accepted and forgiven.) ...
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<pre>Technically we can handle any size/shape of jurisdiction, and just
about any issue. So that's all open.
Just to be sure: the early adopters (b) won't have beta-quality tools
to work with. The tools are functional, but not always easy to use,
full of features, beautiful to look at, etc. We won't be able to fix
that till the users confirm that all the essential pieces are in
place. (We need the walls, wiring and plumbing installed before we
can hang the wallpaper, decorations, and so forth.)
Thomas von der Elbe wrote:
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<pre>One question remains open for me though: is it good enough, if the
vote-server runs under Mikes domain? People will want to have some
security that their votes and work will not be lost. I always
pictured some organizational structure which would garantee this. Is
there another way? If no, what priority does it have?
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<pre>If the only concern is data loss, then I think we have a solution
already. The backup is stored here:
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://zelea.com/system/host/havoc/var/cache/votorola/v/" target="_blank">http://zelea.com/system/host/havoc/var/cache/votorola/v/</a>
Someone just has to copy it to an independent site every so often, and
we'll be fairly safe.
Later, when we implement results verification, every verifier will
have the ability to recreate a vote-server from scratch. Meantime,
the source code is here: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://zelea.com/var/db/repo/votorola/" target="_blank">http://zelea.com/var/db/repo/votorola/</a>
Copy that too, and we're pretty well covered.
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