Mike; "You're awesome dude! " Great insights. Yes to "GUERRILA GARDENING" ie. lots and lots of acorns to trees from the ground up planted by gnome -like creatures invisible to the power behind the single eye on the Yankee dollar etc. etc.. OH YEAH! Here is a more traditional definition of Guerrilla warfare is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irregular_warfare" title="Irregular warfare">irregular warfare</a>, conflicts in which a small group of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combatant" title="Combatant">combatants</a> uses <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_tactics" title="Military tactics">military tactics</a>, like ambushes and raids, to harass a larger and less-mobile traditional <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army" title="Army">army</a>. That's not what we mean I assume. In “The Heart of the Man “ Fromm stated that “There is no more fundamental distinction between man, psychologically and morally, than the one between those who love death and those who love life. The persons who loved life he called biophilous and those who loved death, he called necrophilous.The term "Guerrilla Gardening" seems to say it all. The Guerrilla Gardeners are biophilous in Eric Fromm's sense of the term and the war mongering empires are necrophilous. Further to this please see: Friedrich Nietzsche’s Twilight of the Idols, or How to Philosophize with a Hammer (Götzendammerung, oder: Wie man mit dem Hammer philosophirt, 1889) is a statement of many important aspects of his philosophy. The book’s title is a satirical reference to the title of Wagner’s opera, Twilight of the Gods (Götterdammerung).CHAO J <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Michael Allan <<a href="mailto:mike@zelea.com">mike@zelea.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">(Sorry JAnne, I was off on a tangent, chasing a different problem!) You're right, Votorola will need lots of GUI work. It's still only a prototype, so there's huge room for improvement in the UI. You just helped me to see something new. I think this is interesting. It has to do with our Babble discussion on participatory democracy: a) On the technical side, we practitioners are always discussing *solutions* - project X is developing this, project Y is developing that. We're always promoting our solutions and arguing over them (all of us). But nobody ever says, "We were doing a little bit of participatory democracy over there, and we ran into this *problem*..." b) Meanwhile, on the political side, we grassroots tend to participate only by discussing the *problems* - the government did this, a corporation did that, and this or that is wrong. Almost never do we discuss the possible *solutions*. What we're proposing in Babble (actually *do* participatory democracy in a small way) seems to be the key. What's interesting now, is to see the "lock" that it fits. BTW - Should we call the key "guerrilla gardening"? <a href="http://www.publicspace.ca/gardeners.htm" target="_blank">http://www.publicspace.ca/gardeners.htm</a> More soon, M <div class="im"> Anne Moreland wrote: > I'm with you.You're right. Please don't worry about the gooie > stuff. It will probably take me years to master the gooie > programming stuff for linux/unix. </div>-- <div><div></div><div class="h5">You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Votorola" group. To post to this group, send an email to <a href="mailto:votorola@googlegroups.com">votorola@googlegroups.com</a>. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to <a href="mailto:votorola%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com">votorola+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com</a>. For more options, visit this group at <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/votorola?hl=en-GB" target="_blank">http://groups.google.com/group/votorola?hl=en-GB</a>. </div></div></blockquote></div> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Votorola" group. To post to this group, send an email to votorola@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to votorola+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/votorola?hl=en-GB.