Designs for primary guidance: a comparison

[Michael Allan]

Thanks for looking at it David.  I've done some further work, but not
much to address your concerns yet.
http://zelea.com/w/Stuff:Designs_for_primary_guidance

> Question: are we looking at technical implementations here - and missing
> out practice that may be codified explicitly but not implemented? Take as
> an example Legislative Theatre, or other formal participation and
> deliberation practices used in architecture and world development circles?

I think it'll be more interesting to cover *all* designs for primary
guidance.  I agree they needn't be "technical" in the the IT sense.

> For example - it can be argued that the practice of television
> documentary makers, or investigative journalism, as formalised in
> their respective professions, has an effect (we can debate how
> directly) on the running of local and national elected bodies.

I say "corrective designs", which maybe needs expanding.  I mean
solutions that tackle the problem head on and structurally.  Indirect
or accidental modes of "guidance" might be too numerous to catalogue.

But I think I understand; you're suggesting how to explain the concept
by way of short examples.

> More relevantly, the theory and practice of deliberative polling is
> a concrete example of putative "normative regulation" which if
> implemented in law would have a direct effect on a range of
> administrative decisions - ...

Yes, we have that one: http://zelea.com/w/Stuff:Deliberative_Polling

> ... Please lose the jargon - or at least provide a translation
> into plain French?

One problem is shortness of space in the intro blurb.  We shouldn't
bury the comparison table beneath a lengthy intro.  Another is my use
of an engineering concept (primary guidance) that has no larger
description anywhere.  I figure it's more important to first *show*
the concept in this comparison table (which is structured for that
purpose) and shine some light on it that way.  Anyway, the upshot is
that I'm temporarily stuck with a dense description sitting on top.  I
hope it's at least correct, but I agree it's not ideal.

I did add some linkages to Wikipedia, however.
http://zelea.com/mediawiki/index.php?diff=6269&oldid=6264

One possible relief: that comparison page is separate from the data.
The data are pulled in from elsewhere in the wiki.  So the same data
could *also* be pulled into other pages and compared in other tables
or lists that have nothing to do with my (still immature) notion of
primary guidance.  This has implications for collaboration, which I'll
expand on when I post to the Metagov list.  Do you follow Metagov?

Mike


David Bovill said:
> I'll try - how can I help.
> 
> Question: are we looking at technical implementations here - and missing
> out practice that may be codified explicitly but not implemented? Take as
> an example Legislative Theatre, or other formal participation and
> deliberation practices used in architecture and world development circles?
> 
> Suggestion: a little more effort in describing these concepts in a grounded
> way would help broaden the acceptance of the ideas and the range and number
> of people participating. My suggestion would be to add user journeys, and
> real or imaginary examples of the concepts that are described in shorthand.
> As in this example:
> 
> the normative regulation of administrative decisions under direction of the
> lifeworld - http://zelea.com/w/Stuff:Primary_guidance
> 
> How would you say this in a way in which an intelligent rational human
> being can understand without having to understand a whole set of
> philosophical terminology? Hard maybe - but to not do it runs clear
> intellectual risks. My go - without having dug into the philosophy would be:
> 
> a set of rules or principles that are able to translate the general social
> lived experience (taken as a whole), into mechanisms that are able to
> direct or effect the administrative decisions taken by that society.
> 
> For example - it can be argued that the practice of television documentary
> makers, or investigative journalism, as formalised in their respective
> professions, has an effect (we can debate how directly) on the running of
> local and national elected bodies.
> 
> More relevantly, the theory and practice of deliberative polling is a
> concrete example of putative "normative regulation" which if implemented in
> law would have a direct effect on a range of administrative decisions -
> based on a relatively un-mediated access to social experience using the
> techniques of statistical sampling to meaningfully and pragmatically
> capture to social "lived" experience of
> "lifeworld<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifeworld>
> ".
> 
> Maybe my suggestions are not accurate - but it is precisely the greater
> possibility for critisism (testability to quote a philosopher from the
> opposite spectrum), that generates greater confidence in the overall body
> of thinking. Please lose the jargon - or at least provide a translation
> into plain French?