(SMVcon) Developers cooperating with AG Meinungsfindungstool

[Michael Allan]

Thanks for offering, Marc.  We both feel the same.

To answer your question, our purpose is to coordinate plans of action
(i.e. to achieve public autonomy) by the method of discussion aimed at
mutual understanding and consensus (i.e. public opinion).  In your
diagram, this translates to "position forming" (Standpunktbildung)
based on a discussion system.

> http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/wiki/images/7/72/MFT_BigPicture_v01.jpg
> Where would you locate Votorola inside this picture?

So we're sitting at #2.  That makes us competitors.  We (Votorolans,
Outcasters) have been at this for years, where you (AGM) are just
getting started.  But I welcome your offer to cooperate, because I
fear that otherwise we might do harm to people.  If either of our
platforms were ever to establish itself as a de-facto monopoly that
suppresses other choices through network effects, then users and
citizens would be robbed not only of their freedom, but also of the
opportunity to be the authors of that freedom.

How can we cooperate to prevent that?

Mike


marc said:
> Hi Michael,
> 
> Yes, of course. We would also like to cooperate with Votorola.
> 
> I don't know if you have seen the following big picture (overview of the 
> decision-making-process) yet:
> http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/wiki/images/7/72/MFT_BigPicture_v01.jpg
> 
> Where would you locate Votorola inside this picture?
> 
> Cheers
> marc
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Michael Allan
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:27 AM
> To: AG Meinungsfindungstool
> Cc: Votorola ; Start/Metagov ; AG Liquid Democracy
> Subject: [Ag Meinungsfindungstool] (SMVcon) Developers cooperating with 
> AGMeinungsfindungstool
> 
> Hello Marc,  (cc Votorola, Metagov, AG Liquid Democracy)
> 
> > Top 1 - Abstimmungen
> > Fragekatalog für SMVCon
> > http://meinungsfindungstool.piratenpad.de/SMVConFragenkatalog
> 
> Unfortunately I can't attend SMVcon.  But I'd like to share my answer
> to one item of the proposed questionnaire (Fragekatalog):
> 
>   * Are you a developer?  If so, can you imagine cooperating with AG
>     Meinungsfindungstool in the development of a discussion tool?
> 
> Yes, I'm a developer for Votorola.  Speaking for myself, I'd like to
> cooperate.  My main requirement would be that the core platform remain
> open to all technical designs, including Votorola's.  I think the
> competence to delimit the user's choice of tools belongs to the user
> alone, while we as responsible engineers are competent only to enhance
> and extend that personal choice, never to impede it!  We've long
> understood how to give each user complete freedom of choice in regard
> to discussion and opinion-forming tools.  We know of at least one
> solution (already posted to these lists) that nobody has yet found a
> fault with; namely free-range voting based on vote mirroring.
> 
> Please let's not surrender our responsibilities and freedoms to a
> monopoly controlled by technocrats, or by anyone else.  Instead, let's
> root out the would-be monopolies and bust them up.  Or better yet,
> let's prevent them forming in the first place.  (Again, we know how,
> because it's the same solution.)
> 
> -- 
> Michael Allan
> 
> Toronto, +1 416-699-9528
> http://zelea.com/