[MG] Cascading agreement, money, communities and other resources in votespace

Ed Pastore epastore at metagovernment.org
Sun Jun 5 17:11:40 EDT 2011

I'm trying to catch up on my backlog of reading, and the below looks  
both fascinating and baffling. I'm trying, but I've lost the thread of  
what's going on here. Could one of you try to bring this down to earth  
a little and explain where you are? I'd be happy to work on some  
documentation (or at least description) as a learning exercise, but  
I'm not able to do that from posts like the below.

On a separate note, some of the crossforum has been crashing Safari  
for me for a while. For example:
Any further info I can provide to help debug? This is Safari 5.0.5,  
and it crashes with:
Exception Type:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS)
Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x0000000000000008
Crashed Thread:  0

It seems to do fine on Firefox.

On Jun 2, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Michael Allan wrote:

> C and Thomas,
> I stumbled on a solution to the visualization problem.  The answer is
> in the votespace map.  We already show the accumulation of agreement
> in votespace, and we thought of showing the accumulation of monetary
> pledges in the same way.  So why not show the accumulation of active
> communities?
> conseo wrote:
>> ... Maybe you can add a "resources" map (for economical planning) to
>> the agenda, I'll do it once my exams are over (I am still thinking
>> about it, although I have little time for developing atm.) I have
>> talked with Thomas about my ideas and maybe he can ellaborate on
>> that as well a bit with me (the agenda and integration with the
>> current ideas about social maps). I will open a different thread for
>> that if you have time to discuss plans about it, Thomas.
> Consensus (to explain) is a kind of resource.  To execute a plan of
> social action - enact a law or elect an official - requires a
> sufficient level of agreement from the people who are affected by that
> action.  The necessary level is indicated roughly by the red number at
> the center of each votespace map.  The participants must get close to
> that, or there will be no action:
> http://zelea.com/project/votorola/a/crossforum/vote/_/3.xht
> Note that agreement takes the form of votes.  The votes are the
> channels and carriers (form) while agreement is the valued resource
> carried (content).  We can change the content to match whatever that
> valued resource happens to be.  It won't always be agreement.
> Consider G/p/prz where the issue is the endowment of a prize.
> http://u.zelea.com/w/G/p/prz - No agreement is required for an
> endowment, only a sufficient sum of money.  So (imagine) we replace
> all the red numbers with green ones and do whatever else it takes to
> enable the first time viewer to realize - in about 2 seconds - "Ah, I
> see!  These people are pooling money."
> Now to communities: As we've discovered, the crucial resource in the
> beginning is not actually agreement or money, but rather the talk
> itself.  Unless the conversation can extend over a sufficient number
> of communities - spread its wings and fly - it dies.  So the content
> we need to show is the number of active communities over which each
> branch or tree of votespace has extended itself.  We want the first
> time viewer to realize, "Ah, I see!  These people are growing an
> extended conversation."
> What do you think?  Will it work?
> -- 
> Michael Allan
> Toronto, +1 416-699-9528
> http://zelea.com/
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