[MG] Talk bubbles for crossforum theatre

Sat Apr 30 09:20:20 EDT 2011

I don't think that "orientation" in case of a single pizza would be of any
importance.
You could easily sort the slices alphabetically or by amount of votes/voters
supporting it and then the pizza in the center could always start with the
slices starting with "a" or with the slice having the most supporters in the
same position.

As soon as u click a "tiny pizza" from the "path" that were build by
navigating to several branches of the tree, this "tiny pizza" will move back
to the center having its original "orientation" .. But while the "tiny
pizza" is part of the path which starts from the upper left, it's
orientation is not important . probably the names are even hard to read,
because they are shrinked. The only important information of the tiny pizza
will be its name, so that the user knows what "nodes" he navigated through.
(Beside its name, the tiny pizza is more a symbol which reminds the user of
where he came from and what he was doing and maybe which slice he clicked
and stuff like that)

For example, when I do powerpoint presentations and have a picture
representating a schema, I try to explain the schema over several slides. I
put a shrinked version of the original schema on each slide of my
explanation and I highlight the part of the schema picture that I try to
explain on the current slide.
So its something like a "reminder" what I'm talking about and something that
helps listeners to follow the golden thread of the presentation.

That's why I Think that only the names of the clicked slices won't be
enough. Showing a shrinked pizza helps people to get used to the concept of
the voting tree structure or whatever you might call it :-)

From: start-bounces at metagovernment.org
[mailto:start-bounces at metagovernment.org] On Behalf Of Thomas von der Elbe
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 2:59 PM
To: alex at twister11.de; Metagovernment Project
Subject: Re: [MG] Talk bubbles for crossforum theatre

Ok yes, thats how I understood it. Something is really cool about this
version! Its somehow more clear then the overlapping circles. And because of
the more space, we could have full names, which is also very cool. But I
feel, because the pizzas often rotate, the user gets less of a sense of
orientation. Do you agree?

On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 14:45, Alexander Praetorius wrote: 

No, it all starts with the "Global" BIG PIZZA  in the center. .it contains a
couple of slices.

When you click a slice, the "Global" Pizza shrinks and moves to the upper
left and rotates, so that the clicked slice points towards the center, where
a new pizza appears which is details for the clicked one on "Global".

Now you can click a new slice, so the current slice will shrink and move to
the upper left, next to the global pizza. The global pizza will rotate, so
that the "branch" you took on global will now point to the upper left moved
pizza, and the upper left moved pizza where u just clicked on will point
towards the center, where another new pizza appears..

..

You can repeat this process, filling the top row or multiple rows with tiny
pizzas, while the current pizza you are interested in is always at the
center of the screen.

Now if you want to go back to where you started, you could just click on one
of the tiny pizzas which represent your "C:\folder1\folder2\folder3\..." and
instantly the tiny one will go to the center.

From: start-bounces at metagovernment.org
[mailto:start-bounces at metagovernment.org] On Behalf Of Thomas von der Elbe
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 2:27 PM
To: alex at twister11.de; Metagovernment Project
Subject: Re: [MG] Talk bubbles for crossforum theatre

Alex, in your example you pick the east pizza-slice a couple of times and
then the south one. What would happen if you pick north, west ...? Will the
pizza be automatically be turned around to east again? But this would
probably make the user loose orientation, about where he is in the whole
tree, wouldnt it?

Thomas

On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 16:08, Alexander Praetorius wrote: 

I made a small example...
...its about "pizza slices" and about getting "rid of abbreviations" and
about "chicken perspective", but not about all the stuff I've given in the
example URL's of my previous message to this mailinglist.

It's also not perfect regarding accurate drawing, choosing colors that can
be read well because they do not compete with the background color.
There is much room for improvement. The main features are:
1. Shows taken path through the voting-tree (like
c:/programs/votorola/whatever/...)
2. Shows details of focused current node
3. Removes unintuitive abbreviations
4. Reduces visual clutter
5. blablabla ;)

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From: start-bounces at metagovernment.org
[mailto:start-bounces at metagovernment.org] On Behalf Of Alexander Praetorius
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 2:11 PM
To: 'Metagovernment Project'
Subject: Re: [MG] Talk bubbles for crossforum theatre

Your idea of the pizza slices, was that to eliminate the complicated lines

in 

the center (above), or in the periphery (attached)?  Or both?

Both :)

...

FIRST - (The Ugly Abbreviations) <<

I think a very very important thing is to get rid of the ugly abbreviations
(Bo. No. Rh. Aq. Pa. .....) we might try something like this:
http://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/2009/08/10/mbti-map/
http://www.neoformix.com/2007/OntarioElectionViz0.png
Right now, the abbreviations are absolutely meaningless. A person who's
looking at the visualization doesn't know what kind of information to
expect. Why would I want to navigate through the branches? What am I
searching for?
Maybe I'm searching for a branch where I could have more impact if I follow
that branch? ...what's (Bo. No. Rh. Aq. Pa...) all about?

SECONDLY - (Eagle's Persective) <<

I think the visualization we are talking about right now is more from a
chickens perspective... you navigate through the tree step by step. It's not
easy to see more than 3 or 4 branches at once, because at the moment, the
screen will become way to cluttered to understand the current visualization
with maybe 4 or 5 expanded "nodes".
So if we also will go for an overview visualization we might try something
like:
http://lip.sourceforge.net/ctreemap.html (circular treemap)
http://bund.offenerhaushalt.de/ (treemap)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/marc_smith/1474524836/ (treemap)
http://www.neoformix.com/2006/MLPC_p4.gif (sunburst diagram)
Another visualization combines circular treemap with crosslinks, but I don't
know if there is use for something like this
http://neoformix.com/2009/TorontoTwitterCommunity.html
http://www.neoformix.com/2009/ttcs_1.png
http://www.neoformix.com/2009/ttcs_2.png
http://www.neoformix.com/2009/TwitterEmployeeClusters.jpg

THIRDLY - (Different Approach) <<

A completely different approach might list all polls in a menu-like-list and
while you hover over the polls, they become highlighted in the main view.
The filled circles attached to each poll will show you the (Bo. No. Rh.....)
and their diameter will tell you how much votes they have donated:
http://www.neoformix.com/2008/AuthorLine.png

FOURTHLY - (TAG Approach) <<

The center of a branch could be written like a heading (eg. "America").
The "child nodes" could be written as weighted TAGs
(eg.states,president,...)
http://www.neoformix.com/2008/CloudComparison2.html#SummaryEnd
(Clicking a Tag will open a sub branch and the path from root node down to
the current branch could be shown through something like (root:G / p / moo /
Bo. / ...)
But please try to use meaningfull names  like (Global / Polls / Joe's Cow /
Boring Abbreviations / ...)

Other Stuff:
http://wallstats.com/deathandtaxes/ (mindmap with zoom&pan)
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/05/05/science/20080506_DISEASE.html
(zoomable node-link-diagram)
http://www.notcot.com/images/2008/04/Literary-Organism-Poster.jpg 

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From: start-bounces at metagovernment.org
[mailto:start-bounces at metagovernment.org] On Behalf Of Michael Allan
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 11:06 AM
To: start at metagovernment.org
Subject: Re: [MG] Talk bubbles for crossforum theatre

Thanks Alexander,

This drawing of the center came from one of your earlier suggestions:
http://zelea.com/project/votorola/a/crossforum/vote/_/1c.xht

I like it.  I think it's faster on the uptake than this one:
http://zelea.com/project/votorola/a/crossforum/vote/_/1.xht

Your idea of the pizza slices, was that to eliminate the complicated lines
in the center (above), or in the periphery (attached)?  Or both?

(Will reply to your other points, soon.  An, Ji, Th, etc. are  people's
names.)
--
Michael

PS - the SVG source is here if anyone else wants to draw:
http://zelea.com/project/votorola/a/crossforum/vote/VotespaceV.svg

Alexander Praetorius wrote:

Wow :-)

It's getting better and better.
I like the geomap and I also like the bubbles, which tell visitors its 
real people talking and not just bots or something...

I still hate the abbreviations (Ge. Fr. An. ...) What's there meaning?
Countries?
Can't we then use flags and tell people the country's name when 
hovering the flag?
(What flag do we use for global  (G.)? Maybe a planet earth icon?) 
Really, I think there must be something done about the annoying 
abbreviations. They really look very nerdy and cryptic to an average 
visitors eye.

I like the circles, the cyan navigation highlighting, the numbers and 
the percentages :) I don't like all these lines because I think they 
generate visual clutter and so do the ugly Abbreviations ;)

Maybe one could use colored pizza slices, where the intensity of the 
used color indicates the percentage given to the "pizza center" by each

slice.

...when a user nagivates through the branches of the tree, the active 
circle maybe should go to the center of the screen while the former 
circles should "fade out" or "shrink" a little ..or both? ...or they 
should auto-move to the top of the screen, creating a "row of circles" 
which are similar to G/p/bla ...
...they would just show the path a user took while navigating through 
several branches of the tree.

-
Alex

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