Direct democracy

[Martin Gustavsson]

>>From wikipedia: "A too-strict requirement of consensus may effectively give
a small self-interested minority group veto power over decisions. Decision
by consensus may take an extremely long time to occur, and thus may be
intolerable for urgent matters, e.g. those of executive decisions. In some
cases, consensus decision-making may encourage groupthink, a situation in
which people modify their opinions to reflect what they believe others want
them to think, leading to a situation in which a group makes a decision that
none of the members individually think is wise. It can also lead to a few
dominant individuals making all decisions. Finally, consensus
decision-making may fail in a situation where there simply is no agreement
possible, and interests are irreconcilable."

"Polish parliament" (in swedish: polsk riksdag) is now referred to as chaos
(kaos) in Sweden and is an example of how a consensus system totally failed
to do any changes of society. Every member of parliament had veto right in
Poland when this occurred. Today we could compare this to the veto in the UN
which is the main reason why we still have invasions from the super powers
and its allies. Palestine, Tibet, Iraq. Tyranny by a governing minority in
Israel, China, and USA....and they get away with it thanks to
consensus/veto!!!!

Tyranny by a majority, as you put it.... ex.  Taxes on ownership has always
been seen as a tyranny by the rich. It can however stabilize society in away
so that the poor don't get too poor and the rich don't get too rich. ....The
greedy will however always bee poor.

No, majority rule is by far the best way I can imagine how to rule society.
If it is rule by a few, it is NOT democracy by definition. demo = people AND
cracy = rule

In my world it is also the best. People presently at the top of the
hierarchy and who has accumulated to much money are usually not morally and
socially fit to govern for the people, as I see it. Normal educated people
in society are. Americans in general I am not sure about, but Swedish
people? Yes. I trust them. They are educated by books based on scientific
evidence. They do not generally believe that the planet was created by a god
or by a spaghetti monster.

2008/3/3, /pd <slash.pd at gmail.com>:
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> On Mar 2, 4:56 am, "Martin Gustavsson" <martingustavsso... at gmail.com>
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> > If you put "consensus" on a pedestal you will in fact be in favor of
> > minority rule.
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> I think of consensus in two ways..
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> 1) The general agreement of  group or community
> 2) The theory and practice of getting such agreements
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> care to elaborate the Consensus[pedestal] == Rule[Minority] ?
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> B'coz there is the "tyranny of the majority" attribution to consensus
> too :)-
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